Jay Bakker, son of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, and Frank Schaeffer, son of Francis and Edith Schaeffer, chat about the state of evangelicalism, the religious right, their own pasts, and a whole lotta stuff they’re not sure of and have no way of proving.

Before you jump down their throats (so to speak) — a lot more people live their faith, and harbor the feelings expressed here, than you would think. Some stay in their little evangelical churches. Others leave.

And become Nones without whimples.

ADDENDUM: Here are a coupla other white guys talking about necessity and contingency. Which I’m sure you do all the time. (I understand that neither Mr. Bakker nor Mr. Schaeffer are theologians or philosophers, nor do they claim to be. But it is a fine illustration of the heights from which we have fallen in terms of debate in general.)